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Exclusive: Ilaji Farm Boss, Sanusi’s Burning Passion for Agriculture.

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Engr. Dotun Sanusi, the proprietor of ICAST and the Chief Farmer of Ilaji Farm is a successful gentleman with a blazing passion for agriculture.

The Engineer, who has invested heavily in agriculture which culminated in having a multi-million naira farm in this interview with our Associate Editor disclosed that his pukka passion for agriculture was borne out of the culture that has been embedded into his psychic and as well as the agricultural practices that he was taught in school then informed his bold decision.

As he puts it: “Agricultural investment is about the interest and not necessarily the amount of money you have in your bank accounts”. Excerpts.

 

 

Please introduce yourself sir?

My name is Engineer Dotun Sanusi. I am the Chairman of Ilaji Farms in Akanran, Ona-Ara, Oyo State.

You have invested heavily in agriculture which culminated in having a multi-million naira farm, the interesting part is that you are an engineer, what has the experience been like?

I am investing in agriculture due to the passion I have for it which is borne out of the culture that has been embedded into one’s psychic by our fathers and as well as the agricultural practices that we were taught in school then. What makes investment in agriculture imperative now is the price of the crude oil that has dwindled in recent times and having been in oil and gas sectors for quite some time, I have the conviction that there is no better time for diversification than now.

Aside from this, in the course of my travelling to other parts of the
world, I found out that my Chinese partners who are also into oil and gas takes pride in their agricultural practices. Each of them will rather showcase their farm to the visitors because they see it as a way of giving back to their immediate and extended society.

So agricultural investment is about the interest and not necessarily the amount of money you have in your bank accounts. For instance, we started Ilaji Farms with few hectares but today by God’s grace, Ilaji Farm is spread over hundred hectares. We started the farm
with planting of vegetables, later we got into animal husbandry before we finally settled for the poultry farming we are into. Due to the vision, we have for agriculture in the state, I have discussed with my Chinese friends about increasing our birds from its present over 75,000 to 500,000 birds and due to our conceited efforts we are confident that we shall meet that target.

Presently over 50 people are employed and live in the farm. What gladdens my heart is that the farm has made some of those who before depended on me for financial assistance now independent in that by getting buyers for the eggs produced in the farm they do not only make money for themselves they also
make money for the farm.

Sir you just painted a picture of a farm settlement; an initiative of the then western government. Are you advocating for something like that as a way of solving the menace of unemployment in the country?

That is the point I have been trying to make and that is where I gave
a big kudos to the present governor of Oyo state, Sen. Abiola Ajimobi, for creating a conducive environment towards making such initiative to thrive and for encouraging the potential investors within and outside the state and country to come home and invest. I could remember four years ago he had a fruitful discussion with some of us who are potential investors to come to the state with a view to developing it economically. But the problem is attitudinal, in that some of our youths always have at the back of their minds of what they could get out of such investments and not what they could contribute to it.

I remember not quite long ago when we needed some personnel at Ilaji Farm and we had to put up a vacancy post, over two thousands graduates applied and among them were masters holders.

You made a point earlier about increasing the birds in Ilaji Farm
from 75,000 to 500,000 with the help of your Chinese friends. Can you please expatiate on this?

What we intend doing is to transfer the Chinese technology and expertise to Ilaji Farm, such that we would be able to use the waste generated by the birds into electricity which we will be using to power the farm as well as the whole of our environment-Akanran town.

How feasible is this project?

It is very much feasible because I have seen it done in China and that is why we want to increase our birds to 500,000. This will guarantee enough waste which will be used to make fertilizers and some of the waste will be used in the production of bio-gas. It is only the technology- which is the caging and packaging systems which the
Chinese themselves copied from Germany and Holland respectively- but the birds and every other manpower are sourced locally here in Oyo state.

I have visited some farms in China and no waste is disposed, everything is being used to generate fertilizers and bio-gas and that is exactly what we want to do in Ilaji Frams. We have tried to make use of our Nigerian engineers to get this started
but when we found that they didn’t really get it after expending some resources into it, I decided to bring in foreign expertise.

Though, it might be capital intensive initially but at the long term, it pays. The waste we presently generates which are disposed away from the farm gulps huge money so also is the huge money we spend in buying diesel to power the farm.

Thus, any visionary person will never toil with agriculture- it is the live wire of any society. Crude oil will dry up one day but agriculture will never cease to be. A perfect example is United Arab Emirates, they use the money they generated from Abu-Dhabi- an oil producing emirate- to develop other emirates, especially Dubai.

The government makes Dubai very attractive having discovered that it is the centre of the globe and today Dubai is the most visited place after New-York. Millions of dollars is being generated through tourism and interestingly Abu-Dahbi that used to be money spinning city is not as rich as Dubai due to the fall in crude oil prices.

You seem to represent the present and the future, in the sense that having been into oil and gas for decades and now you have invested into agriculture which is the direction the federal government is moving into. Based on your experience in both fields, did you think they are going about it in the right direction?

It is not about policy, it is about attitudes. There is need for attitudinal change in this country. We need to believe that we
want to make this country great again. We have no reason at all to abandon agriculture because God has given us the land, a fertile one for that matter. If you fly over this country almost everywhere is covered with green vegetation. It rains incessantly here, unlike Dubai which rains once in a while.

If all of us believe this, then you don’t need to have a farm as big as Ilaji’s before you can go into agriculture. We can start in a very small way. I grew up to see my mum rearing chickens and goats. Then during the secondary school days, each student was apportioned a farm for cultivation and we were happy when we see our crops growing.

So you are advocating for a national orientation?

Exactly. That is what we need to do. Our fathers in those days who were into cocoa farming did not have the technological instruments we have now but yet they had farms and some of them were prosperous. Let everyone go into agriculture first and in the process government can come in.

Did you support the federal government of total removal of oil subsidy?

The oil and gas is very wide. I am into upstream; which involves drilling of oil and taking into consideration where our reservoir is after that I don’t know what is done with the oil.

I don’t condemn, I always believe in the solution. But my own personal opinion is that the best way is what the federal government has done- total deregulation is the way out. The present situation is very painful, yes but we cannot think that the situation now will be the same as when the crude oil is being sold for between 100 to 120 dollars per barrel.

The gap is very huge. So in my own sincerity of opinion the best way is deregulation of oil and gas sector and which is what the government has done. It is now left for all of us to think that as the head of the house how can I pay my bills? And the ready way out God has given to us is agriculture- which includes farming, poultry, and animal
husbandry and so on.

We should be realistic with ourselves, how do we expect a government that is battling political and crisis at every front would be able to concentrate on economic crisis?

Some people believe that, that is the basis upon which they were voted for?

If they were voted for that, then let us have an attitude of change. We need to work for Nigeria to survive. Not that when some are moving it forward, some will be dragging it backward. It is only in Nigeria you see the citizens sabotaging their governments’ efforts just to prove a point.

What other areas do you think the government should focus on aside from the ones you have highlighted?

Like i said earlier, the present governor has tried a lot in terms of making the state to thrive economically. From my research, I have found out that each local government in the state has a bulldozer, Lowbird, tractors and a borehole drilling machine. With these equipments, the councils’ administrators do not have any excuse of not making their councils economically viable. They should be able to go into farming by looking at the needs of their communities.

The government needs to mandate them to use these machines to their maximum output and after which they should be able to bring something to the centre. It is interesting to state here that every province in China must produce something not only to the province but also to the centre. Before you become a mayor in China, you must have been able to achieve significant achievements at the province level after which you can be considered to be a mayor.

In Ilaji Farms, we spend 8 to 10 million naira monthly to buy corns to feed our birds. Imagine, our host, Ona-Ara local government, going into maize plantation, they will definitely be our supplier which means that they will be making these millions every month. Besides, what about the employment opportunities such a farming exercise will generate? It means that the local government does not need to wait for government allocation before they can carry out their various functions and yet they will still be able to generate income for the state and federal governments.

There is notion that the entrepreneurs do not have any business in politics. Did you share this view sir?

In my own view, I believe that if you have something to offer to your society you should not hesitate to join politics, besides the fact that, we are all political animals. That is being an entrepreneur does not mean he does not have what it takes to be a successful politician. If you say you are an entrepreneur, and, thus, you leave politics for people who do not have the administrative expertise you have, then you will be ruled based on their limited exposure and knowledge. If it happens, you don’t have to complain.

Looking into the crystal ball, where would you want to see Ilaji Farms in the next ten years?

Ilaji Farm In the next years by God’s grace should be an international competitor. From our blue prints, in the next ten years, we want to have over 100,000 people that will be working and living in the farm.

Let us just say in the next 4 years, we should be able to achieve this. Because presently we have over 50 people working and living in the farm and by the time we achieve the 500,000 birds we would have something closer to that figure. We are building a games village in the farm and very soon we shall be having communication gadgets in the
farm whereby our workers would be able to know what goes on in any part of the globe. By the time we finish this, it is going to be a mini city.

How do you unwind considering your tight schedule?

I try to relax anytime I go out of the country. I use that time to meditate and see how i can bring my country in tandem with such countries.

You said earlier that entrepreneur should not shy away from joining
politics. Should we look forward to seeing Engineer Dotun Sanusi in politics in the nearest future?

You don’t need to be in government to impact on lives. My own believe is that you ought to have done something for the society first before you can aspire to lead them. And my own believe is that if you have done well enough they are the ones that will compel you to come and lead them.

To me politics is about service to
humanity and if you had done well enough it is the people that will ask you to come and serve them because they must have seen that you have the qualities in you. I am doing my own bit to the people in my environment.

So if at a time the people feel that i have done enough to warrant me to lead them or serve them in any capacity, I will oblige.

What is your own advice for Nigerian graduates who upon graduating from school got his hopes dashed due to unavailability of job in the country?

They need to have determination that they will not wait any second
upon graduation and that they will not allow the unemployment situation in the country to waste their talents.

One way or the other, the company that I am running today was not established with government’s money. I started the company from the scratch. Let me give you an instance, three years ago when I built my house at Elebu area of Ibadan, the state capital and we were doing the house warming as the people say. In the midst of eating and drinking, I was trying to see what was missing in that area and on that spot I remembered the efforts my mum put into our education and there and then I made up my mind that a standard school must germinate in
that environment.

That was how International College of Arts, Science and Technology, ICAST, started and today the school has over six hundred students and over 70 people are working in the school.

Our goal is to make the school the best in the country having partnered the school with some with some of the best universities in United Kingdom and very soon ICAST products will be seen in Havards University. Initially the road to where ICAST is situated was not accessible but I was not deterred, I knew that I may not be able to asphalt the road but I graded it and I concretized it, now everyone in the community is making use of that road. I could come with the excuse that the road is bad and allow the dream to die prematurely but I refused to see the challenges but the opportunities.

In a nut shell, I charge our youths to see opportunities in any situation rather than seeing challenges in them.

You have hundreds of people working under you, what does it takes to be a good and successful employer of labour?

It takes Integrity, honesty, fairness to your Maker and employees and transparency.

Are you a multi-billionaire considering the fact that you have just less than a thousand of people working under you?

I know that God has blessed me and I recognize this fact. To me, is not about the amount of cash that you have but the number of lives that you have impacted on. I am rich when people are rich. But to answer your question, on asset base, I think I am.

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Interview: Why Ife Grand Resort is unique to others – GM, Reuben Abib reveals

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File photo of Mr. Reuben Abib, the General Manager, Ife Grand Resort and Leisure

 

Ife Grand Resort & Leisure, one of the best hospitality-care centers in Africa, located on an expansive hilltop, adjacent to the Ife-Ibadan Expressway at about 4 km from the heart of the ancient and culturally important city of Ile-Ife, in Osun State, Southwest Nigeria, is the right place to be not only for tourists, fun-seekers, holidaymakers, travellers; but also for government institutions and individuals seeking exciting and memorable experience.

Reuben Abib, the General Manager, of Ife Grand Resort & Leisure, in a chat with Idowu Ayodele, reveals the intrinsic values that set the hospitality center apart from others.

Excerpts:

Why is Ife Grand Resort & Leisure described as the people’s palace?

It is, indeed; the people’s palace! You know not everyone can enter the Enuwa palace of the Ooni of Ife, but Ife Grand Resort & Leisure is the extension of that same palace. Here, at the People’s Palace, everyone can feel and be treated like royalty. We set up on over 328 acres of land, over a hundred rooms with chalets of different categories.

We actually have tree houses as well, very interestingly, they are all air-conditioned, we have Eclipse nightclub, a zoo, African Village, which hosts a Bamboo Restaurant and a local kitchen where guests can visit to witness how local food menus are prepared and served to them in local pots, the Adire Oodua Textile Hub where they make traditional adire clothes (tie-and-dye).

The resort also houses a 200-capacity cinema hall nearing completion and would be commissioned soon, an event centre, a conference hall, an indoor spa centre for manicures and pedicures, swimming pools, restaurants and bar, barbecue, where you can get your catfish, bush meat, palm wine among other facilities. Honestly, there is so much to do here, this is a place to be.

Considering the huge staff strength, both permanent and casual workers, how have you been able to manage and coordinate them for optimal productivity?

We are very much like a family here. So, I see myself like a father figure to all my staff, even a father figure to my customers. We may not always agree on some issues, but the fact is that if you realise you have a relationship that you want it to be extended beyond this present moment, then you have to manage yourself to protect such relationships. There is one Yoruba proverb I owe dearly to my heart is that when a child knows how to wash his hands well, he eats with the elders.

Interestingly, it is something the Yoruba culture has taught me which is the way we treat each other, the respect we give each other, we love each other so much that we bow to each other, in simple greetings, you must adopt humility to succeed. The secret I am trying to bring to the table is that you must love your children even if you must discipline them, binding it together, I think things are working fine here with us.

I am able to manage a diverse group of individuals with unique talents, skills, and abilities.

There are many resorts and hotels in Nigeria, what exactly sets Ife Grand Resort & Leisure apart from others?

We are the source, the cradle of the Yoruba race. The resort itself exemplifies everything that is housed within the Yoruba culture. One of our unique advantages is the pristine rain forest which is just a three-minute walk, and a tropical utopia for leisure seekers and discerning guests who cherish tranquility and communion with nature amid personalised hospitality services.

We are surrounded by nature , both flora and fauna.

We have more than enough facilities, stable security and fantastic personnel that will make your visit to this destination an exciting and memorable experience. In addition to everything you can do here, we are just a few minutes away from the 401 historical and religious sites in Ile Ife, so if you want to see culture first hand, this is the best place to be. There is so much to do here, so much to learn, there is no way even once in a lifetime you can take everything away. We are just a few weeks to Olojo festival, literally there is always a festival in Ile-Ife.

If you really want to get in touch with yourself and your culture, Ile-Ife is the only place to do that, this is the source.

How affordable is Ife Grand Resort & Leisure?

We are the most affordable four-star resort in Nigeria, I can assure you of that. This is the people’s palace, we want it accessible and affordable for all, the reason we deliberately splashed the prices by half. Can you imagine a standard room for N10,000 in a four-star resort?

Having spent some quality and eventful years in Africa, particularly Southwest Nigeria, how would you describe the Yoruba culture?

I am an African American. Growing up in Canada and the US, they will be telling us that our culture is dead. In 2017, when I met the Ooni of Ife and I saw living culture, I saw the culture of the Emeses, the culture of the cult, I saw the culture of the Yoruba people, prostrating before this amazing King, and I was touched to the soul. I am actually a born orphan, and one thing about orphans is that not only that people adopt us, we also adopt people. I must say that I have adopted Yoruba because it resonates with me – the history, the culture, proverbs, and wisdom of the Yoruba people, is something that I feel it is within my soul and it is wonderful.

Likewise, I spent 11 years in the Gambian and I already spent over 5 years in Nigeria, I can always see that for we the repatriated Africans, it is actually easy to find our home here and this is very welcoming. Thank you for sharing your culture with me.

 

 

 

 

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Interview: Expert reveals ‘ugly story’ of Nigeria’s cocoa industry

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File photo of Alhaji Muritadha Adeyemi Adeniji, Chairman, Starlink Global & Ideal Limited

Alhaji Muritadha Adeyemi Adeniji is a leading player in the Cocoa and cashew business in Nigeria. Therefore his insight into the challenges and prospects of the agro-industrial sector cannot be faulted. His company, Starlink Global & Ideal Limited, provides a wide spectrum of marketing and financial services for the procurement and export of Agricultural Produce and Commodities to both local and international markets.

SGI agricultural produce also includes raw cocoa beans, raw cashew nuts, shea nuts, and natural sesame seeds. SGI today has grown tremendously and is well represented in all cocoa-producing zones of Nigeria.

In this interview with online news editors, he bares his mind, among other issues, on the status of cocoa production in Nigeria, even as he expressed his fear about the future of the crop. Excepts

Sir, Nigerians are concerned about the dwindling production of cocoa in Nigeria, because the crop used to be a major contributor to the economic development of the country most especially in the western region in the 60, and 70s. Do you share their fear?

I appreciate your concern about the future of Cocoa in Nigeria. Unfortunately, we used to be number 2 between the period 1968 and 1975. Up to 1992, Nigeria still struggled to be between number 3 and 4 but we are now number 7. Ivory Coast as of 2013, the country was producing 1,000,000 tonnes. Today, Ivory Coast produces 2000400 tonnes. They have doubled their production and have even added more within that period. Looking at the same time, Ghana used to produce 750000 tonnes but they are now producing 950000 tonnes. Cameroon used to produce 350000 tonnes they are still on the 350000 tonnes. Indonesia used to produce 450000 tonnes, they are now producing 280000 tonnes.

They have had a reduction in their production. Nigeria used to produce 250000 tonnes, they are now on 300000 tonnes. Brazil produces 320000 tonnes. All other countries of the world produce the rest of the tonnes.

The total need for Cocoa in the world is 4million tonnes in a year. 75% of the production is done by Ivory Coast and Ghana, which is why they went into a collaboration to ask for Liquid Income Preferential from the chocolate makers. I am the first Nigerian and African to be a member of the Federation of Cocoa and Commerce (FCC), which is responsible for regulating the Cocoa economy in the world. This gives me insight into the problems and solutions to Cocoa production.

When we talk about Nigeria, it’s not only about Cocoa but the quality of leadership has been the problem. When we have leaders that only think about 4 or 8 years in office and do not have a long term plan. This is criminal and injustice to the people they are leading. We must have a well structured country, that has immediate, short and long-term plans. Developed countries of the world have all these plans with strong institutions that Nigeria is lacking.

Unfortunately, corruption has killed almost everything in Nigeria. I don’t like politics and I won’t be one of them. Take a look at the time of late Chief Obafemi Awolowo who was an Ijebu man, what was Cocoa production like in Ijebu then? He institutionalized Cocoa production across the Southwest. He had a big Cocoa farm, not for himself but for the country in the present-day Edo State. Things need to change. The law of diminishing return is taking effect on the Cocoa trees as some are now 100 years while some are 75 years. If they are cut down how many years would it take for us to have the new ones? What incentives are being given to the youths as motivation to engage in farming?

What have they been doing in Ivory Coast that Nigerian government has not been doing?

In Ivory Coast, the government allocates 2.5 hectares of land to the youth to engage in farm production. Nigeria’s government needs to create a medium for large farm sites and put necessary social infrastructures to make life bearable for the people. West Africa produces almost 75% of Cocoa in the world, all other countries cannot. We are blessed in this part of the world. For instance, in Indonesia, natural disasters destroy the farms. The government should start to have long-term plans. This is one of the reasons we are faced with the challenge of insecurity such as banditry, kidnapping, and others. We need to face the reality of how to navigate the perennial problems. Unemployment is directly proportional to poverty, banditry, kidnapping, and terrorism.

So how can we get it right?

For Nigeria to get it right in Cocoa production, the government needs to remove what is known as Land Use Act. The people should be allowed to have access to land. This is one of the major problems of agriculture in Nigeria. Physical planning is very key. We are very lucky, Nigeria has the largest arable land in the whole of Africa. You can see the incursion of foreigners into the country, Chinese, Indians, and others are buying lands in large quantities and they are collecting documents from the government, we need to be careful about that. We are talking about colonization, what is going to happen would be worse than colonization. We should learn from the apartheid in South Africa and Palestine because the major cause of what is happening in Palestine, Zambia, and Zimbabwe is land. This is also evident in Kaduna and Jos.

No government agency or parastatal in Nigeria is working, corruption has destroyed all of them. We are not investing in technologies that will improve our agricultural system. We need huge investment in technologies in our institutes for us to have alternatives. The kind our fertilizers we use on our farms are the ones killing our soil.

The government should create an enabling environment supported by reasonable laws that wouldn’t be broken. So many people are interested in agriculture but they are being discouraged by the lack of enabling environment.

I want to call on the government to have a well-structured system, long term plans and be proactive in the needs of the citizens, especially the youths. We don’t have accurate data in Nigeria, we only have estimates.

The Nigerian government has been talking about diversification of the economy, especially in agro-industrial sector, in your own opinion do you think they are walking the talk?

As a stakeholder, I have constructively criticized the government to challenge them on the necessary things to be done. Nigeria is retrogressing at a fast pace, something needs to be done. The chocolate factory needs 24 hours electricity, are we having this in Nigeria? A factory cannot be successfully run in an unpredictable place like Nigeria. Look at the price of diesel which used to be N350 which is now N800. So many companies are folding up in Nigeria not because they are fraudulent, it is because they operate in a very harsh economic environment.

How did you get into this business?

I was a biochemistry lecturer at the University for 11 months. Religion discrimination and politics in the institution made me leave lecturing job. There was a terrible gang-up as I was the only Muslim, I didn’t see myself developing quickly in such an environment. When I left, I secured another job in Union Trust before the death of my Managing Director which made me leave there after 11 months.

I never wanted to do this business because I have experienced different things in this business. I had so many crises in the Cocoa business. Although, it is my father’s business. Hunger and desperation forced me to stay in the Cocoa business.

How long did it take you to build Starlink Global & Ideal Limited?

We started in 1999. Today, we are the largest exporter of Cocoa, Cashew, and palm oil in Nigeria. In the last 10 years, the growth has been wonderful. We are now into processing, we have just bought the largest and multi-million processing plant in Nigeria.

At SGI, we have 452 direct workers and about 900 appendages. We see the human being as the most important asset. We have warehouses in about 16 states. I motivate my staff for maximum production with sustainable empowerment. Most of them are now self-independent

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INTERVIEW: ‘Buhari has failed, made APC to lose goodwill’ – Late Ajimobi’s aide

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Chief Mutalubi Adebayo Ojo read Mass Communication at the University of Lagos, he later proceeded to the University of Ibadan to study Law. He equally served as the Attorney General and Commissioner for Justice under late Governor Abiola Ajimobi of Oyo State.

Last Tuesday, he appeared on Ayekooto On Radio, a magazine programme anchored by Olayinka Agboola live on a private radio station in Ibadan, the capital city of Oyo State. Read some of his submissions:

On one of your Social Media profile pages, you wrote that laws must be used as tools of social engineering, for economic development and poverty eradication. Why did you think along this line sir?

Lawyers are called legal luminaries all over the world especially in a democracy to lighten paths and ways of their fellow citizens so that they can see through and will not fall or slip from their ways. Law is an object to develop the country and engineer development and tackle poverty.

Today, as we are speaking, do you consider yourself to be a full fledge politician?

I must not pretend about that. I am a card-carrying member of the All Progressives Congress (APC).  I formally joined the party very recently during the revalidation exercise. When I was in government under our late leader, Senator Abiola Ajimobi, I was not a card-carrying member of the party.

What was it like when you were the Chief Lawmaker in Oyo State?

It was all about service to humanity, contributing your quotas to your community, state and society at large. All of us cannot be satisfied to remain in our comfort zones because if it is something we are going to eat together with our family and how to educate our children, we do not have such problems. Let us think of others who are less privileged and who do not have the same opportunity like us.  In life there are basic amenities of life such as food, shelter and education and health. Let us strive to make life more meaningful to people, I believe that any aspiration to be in government and public service should be geared towards service. As a commissioner, I served to the best of my ability.

States are at war with  Government on the issue of the Value Added Tax collection (VAT). What is your opinion?

I have a very different view and I have expressed it at different fora before. Value Added Tax (VAT) is not listed specifically in the exclusive list. We have already had in place a VAT act – since the era of the military. The Federal Inland Revenue Service (FIRS) has been collecting it from individuals, company without any level of protest from any level of government. It will be wrong for any state now to enact another VAT law like Lagos and Rivers have done. We already have a federal act which has covered the field and that will be inconsistent with any law that is happening now.

During the second republic, we had a similar case between Attorney General of Ogun State and Aberuaba which was litigated up to the Supreme court that it was stated that Ogun State could not enact sales tax.

Also, during Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu as Governor of Lagos State, there was this law that was enacted by Lagos state government on hospitality and consumption tax. It happened that Eko Hotel took the state government to court that they could not be paying the same tax when they were already paying same to the federal government and they won the case.

Now, as a lawyer and politician, you know the way things are in Nigeria today – insecurity and economic woes, where did we get it wrong?

Leadership is the major problem facing Nigeria. Our current president, Muhammadu Buhari has failed and has disappointed many people. He has failed woefully and the party, APC has lost its goodwill that brought it to power in 2015.

But some observers said Jugdes/Lawyers, Policemen and Journalists are mainly responsible for the situation Nigeria has found itself..

I do not agree with that assumptions that Lawyers, Judges, Police and Journalists are responsible for Nigeria’s problems today. We have all failed. We cannot have a better country if we do not have a good family unit. A good community cannot exist if there is a bad local government and state. We have lost it all and all sectors are affected.  We are the problems and if people in the country agree to change and do the right things then Nigeria will be better.

What do you think is the difference between APC and the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP)?

There is no difference between the two parties. Our political parties are not ideology-based. They are just platforms through which one can get elected to serve. There is nothing like progressives’ party in my understanding. Both parties are bereft of ideologies.

So, what is the way forward sir?

We cannot keep complaining that because politics is a dirty game. It is dirty because majority of the people participating in it presently are dirty. We must not leave it to charlatans, we must all participate in it to improve the system.

What is your stake on the ongoing agitation for Yoruba nation?

Looking at the rate at which we are going in this country, unless Nigeria is restructured, we may disintegrate. Things are not at ease and we have never been divided like this before. The Hausas are seeing themselves as different from the Fulanis. There is nothing like one north again, even the Hausas and the Fulanis are even more divided than the south. We need to sit down and find solutions to the myriad of problems we are facing.

Independence of Yoruba Nation is just one of the valid options to be used to solve Nigeria’s problems.

Before you go, do you wish to send a message to fellow politicians?

Let us all resolve to do the right thing at the right time. Let us be selfless and put the interest of the country at heart first and let us love Nigeria above our personal interest.

I will also counsel Nigerians not to cut corners and to do the right things always.

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